Comments on: Thou shalt love, not hate http://www.i-youniverse.net/2009/10/14/thou-shalt-love-not-hate/ inviting I-Thou relations Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:45:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Rafael Poag http://www.i-youniverse.net/2009/10/14/thou-shalt-love-not-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-5419 Rafael Poag Sat, 07 Jan 2012 07:16:03 +0000 http://www.i-youniverse.net/?p=3133#comment-5419 Loving the information on this site, you have done outstanding job on the posts . Loving the information on this site, you have done outstanding job on the posts .

]]> By: Ken Kruschwitz http://www.i-youniverse.net/2009/10/14/thou-shalt-love-not-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-1356 Ken Kruschwitz Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:39:27 +0000 http://www.i-youniverse.net/?p=3133#comment-1356 Great article John! Great article John!

]]> By: jlh http://www.i-youniverse.net/2009/10/14/thou-shalt-love-not-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-1303 jlh Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:05:27 +0000 http://www.i-youniverse.net/?p=3133#comment-1303 Hello, North Carolina, Pastor Mack. Thanks for reading and taking time to respond. I'll dive into the fray, one paragraph at a time. 1) Are all driven by hate? Not individually. The culture which denies gay people status which others take for granted is hate driven, mostly, however, just as laws against interracial marriage and voter restrictions were part of a hate culture, as was the silence in all the white churches. There are the people who kill gays and picket AIDS funerals, and there are all the "nice" people who tolerate and contribute to an atmosphere of intolerance. Same as in race prejudice. If you go along with the culture, then maybe unconsciously you're part of the hate machine. 2) You've got a point. You can't keep two people from promising to love. But you can hinder them, put obstacles in their way, make fun of their commitment, etc. All the social incentives given marriage make a couple's success more likely. 3) I am not a fan of American culture. I argued from a cultural basis "pursuit of happiness" as the bare minimum. I actually came to my views on gay sex from reading the Bible carefully. Yeah, there are passages that condemn homosexuals. But there are others that led me to accept all persons equally, and strive to live by the same sexual standards for all: no sex outside of monogamous lifelong union before God, and by the way agapé. For example: Ezekiel 16:49-50; Isa 56:1-8 (quoted by Jesus); Luke 7:1-10; Acts 8:26-40; Acts 10; Gal 3:28. (You'll find a full exposition of the issue in The Blue Book, there's a link on the sidebar.) I appreciate your comments. Thanks again for reading and writing. Hello, North Carolina, Pastor Mack. Thanks for reading and taking time to respond.
I’ll dive into the fray, one paragraph at a time.
1) Are all driven by hate? Not individually. The culture which denies gay people status which others take for granted is hate driven, mostly, however, just as laws against interracial marriage and voter restrictions were part of a hate culture, as was the silence in all the white churches. There are the people who kill gays and picket AIDS funerals, and there are all the “nice” people who tolerate and contribute to an atmosphere of intolerance. Same as in race prejudice. If you go along with the culture, then maybe unconsciously you’re part of the hate machine.
2) You’ve got a point. You can’t keep two people from promising to love. But you can hinder them, put obstacles in their way, make fun of their commitment, etc. All the social incentives given marriage make a couple’s success more likely.
3) I am not a fan of American culture. I argued from a cultural basis “pursuit of happiness” as the bare minimum. I actually came to my views on gay sex from reading the Bible carefully. Yeah, there are passages that condemn homosexuals. But there are others that led me to accept all persons equally, and strive to live by the same sexual standards for all: no sex outside of monogamous lifelong union before God, and by the way agapé. For example:
Ezekiel 16:49-50; Isa 56:1-8 (quoted by Jesus); Luke 7:1-10; Acts 8:26-40; Acts 10; Gal 3:28. (You’ll find a full exposition of the issue in The Blue Book, there’s a link on the sidebar.)
I appreciate your comments. Thanks again for reading and writing.

]]> By: Pastor Mack http://www.i-youniverse.net/2009/10/14/thou-shalt-love-not-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-1293 Pastor Mack Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:10:07 +0000 http://www.i-youniverse.net/?p=3133#comment-1293 Are you actually suggesting that opponents of gay marriage are all driven, solely or in part, by hate? It couldn't just be a divergent understanding of Christian sexuality in the Biblical witness and historical teaching of the Church? And how is it possible to prevent two people from promising to love each other? I'm pretty sure two folks can do this without a Church or state-sanctioned ceremony. I'm also not clear if your arguments are gospel based or American-based. These two are not the same. Should gay marriage be accepted based on an ethic of Jesus-love or of secular civil liberties? You seem to blend them here too easily. Are you actually suggesting that opponents of gay marriage are all driven, solely or in part, by hate? It couldn’t just be a divergent understanding of Christian sexuality in the Biblical witness and historical teaching of the Church?

And how is it possible to prevent two people from promising to love each other? I’m pretty sure two folks can do this without a Church or state-sanctioned ceremony.

I’m also not clear if your arguments are gospel based or American-based. These two are not the same. Should gay marriage be accepted based on an ethic of Jesus-love or of secular civil liberties? You seem to blend them here too easily.

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